In this conversation, Garr and Sabira discuss the concept of systems thinking and its application in the context of the built environment industry. They explore the various stakeholders involved in the industry and the potential for individual influence and collective action. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the interconnectedness of systems and the need for collaboration to drive positive change. In the interview with Stacy Savage, she shares her journey of starting a zero waste business and the importance of focusing on waste as a sustainability issue. Stacy emphasizes the need for education and answering questions to break down barriers and engage employees. The group also discusses the value of waste audits and transparency in waste management. She addresses the cost barriers of implementing zero waste programs and highlights the economic benefits and recruitment advantages. Finally, Stacy talks about the challenges of waste management in Texas and the importance of recycling.